This is to avoid the conflict of interest that we read about above. Downs called Robert Knickerbocker, a married man and a former coworker in Arizona with who she had been having an affair. This reminds me of what a jail counselor named Rachel Roth said at the trial of Debra Milke Its my opinion that this young woman has been judged in a way that signifies something to do with how we view women in our society. 2. The forensic evidence alone is absolutely weak. Fingerprints at the crime scene were not produced by the State. I was a patient of the doctor who worked so hard to save her childrens lives that night. (her family confirmed that she had a mood disorder, possibly bipolar 2), So when Dr. George Suckow from the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was called as a States rebuttal witness and he made a professional diagnosis of Diane as histrionics, antisocial and narcissistic, he openly said in court that he interviewed Diane for 1 hour and read evidence presented by the state to make his diagnosis.. Its as if they cant control it. Foote then handled the juvenile docket and first encountered Downs when he ordered her two surviving children into state protective custody. It was a harrowing, shameful miscarriage of justice. Criminalist James Pex was pretty clear about this. The lousy men in their lives never took a hit because after all, it was these witches fault. They were tons of witnesses that saw him at work. It did not matter that they had no evidence; they did not like her attitude and she was going to pay for it: opinion, not fact The bushy haired stranger that police had gotten a lead on worked at the country club he was at work at that time and had a sever speech impediment. Ffs maybe u should go back to writing screenplays. By many accounts, her children adored her. time it was the situation was down. Im sure nothing I write will change that. Downs was expelled from the college after one year, reportedly for her promiscuity, and she returned home to Arizona and reconnected with Steve. I will talk to Dianes brother. Foote refused 30 to 50 reports by detectives of sightings or leads about the shooter but admitted reports from people in Arizona willing to badmouth Diane. They rarely get a break. 3. Don't know what in the world came over me, Christopher P. Stokes told a Wisconsin court. But in the case of DD, there were a lot of elements missing. The gun problem or the absence of blood and powder residues are not make believe. Not that it matters, your opinion is about the case and not subject to geography. Any thoughts on how the detectives basically made up their mind right away in spite of numerous tips coming in? I just read your opinion on the Pamela Smart case and the Scott Peterson case. What about the son saying that man and nurses noting that. 5. Whats next? If you read the blog, it is because of the lie told by prosecutor Hugi that ignored the assessment of her therapist Dr. Jamison and was condemned by the psychiatrist that they were convinced to find her guilty. I go through every new finding and I point out what was done at trial that did not respect due process. Just like Rule though, your blog is extremely biased, and reads almost as though she told you exactly what to write at times. I do not declare her innocent. For all you readers of this blogger, I lived through the Diane Downs case. He was interogated but, the police never had a reason to doubt him. Thats food for thought. Knickerbocker even reportedly told Downs hed leave his wife and move to Oregon to be with her, where she'd taken a job with the U.S. Diane described the stranger that shot them on the road and a police artist came up with a sketch. It was in Mesa that Diane had an affair with a coworker and became pregnant yet again. Diane Downs's boyfriend, Robert Knickerbocker was never a suspect or a person of interest in the case. If I feel that due process was violated, I will go there anyway. If youre in charge of handling the affairs for a recently deceased loved one, this guide offers a helpful checklist. And she laughed at it by saying it was healthy to want to join the free world, especially if you proclaim your innocence. She also underwent a gun residue test that same evening that revealed no trace of gun powder on her hands. Did CK shoot at car when DD drove away? He actually was the one who suggested they become intimate after many friendly, platonic conversations. Current Address: ZANZ N La Cholla Blvd, Tucson, AZ. Knick had NOT signed the premarital agreement, but that didnt stay his pursuit of Diane, knowing she was moving 1200 miles away. I think that Van Houten was recommended for parole by a system that assessed that after 40 years, she was not a threat to society and a reformed woman. Her father passed away in October 2017 after having fought relentlessly for her release. This is what Mrs Downs had to say about the situation. Just before 11 P.M., Diane Downs reportedly pulled her blood-soaked car up to the door of McKenzie-Willamette Hospital and screamed, Somebody just shot my kids!, Photo by: Diane Downs [Wikimedia Commons]. 41 followers 41 . Dianes dad died a year or two ago. Wasnt he the stranger? Diane Downs is no exception. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. Diane had spent three days in the hospital ingesting massive doses of Morphine, Demerol, Percodan, and visterol. It became more about despising Diane Downs than investigating fairly. Great blog post, thank you. Weve become friends. Dilantin is known to cause mental confusion and you can check it online, but consider the dosage she was on and it needs no clarification. It seems that the Downs were totally ignored. She is still in prison. And to try not to bash Dianes Downs character and stick to evidence instead. But Downs' story continued that when she got out of her car to help, the man told her that he wanted her vehicle. It was writtenrepeatedly in the daily notes that the children were happy to see their mom and asked for her. There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. Of course, because this is what she does when people put her on the spot and ask questions concerning her mother and the shooting. (witness statement the gentleman who was behind her for at least 10 minutes). John Shea who played Fred in the TV movie Small Sacrifices even looks like him. She was in solitary confinement for years and even escaped from prison once but was recaptured. Her character was also too much on the forefront. Like I said, the 2 years make it a bit more of a gray area. Click to read The Case of Liysa Northon Who Said True Crime Does not Pay? Dianes automobile was secured and examined and no gun was found. Diane and her family fought for them but were blocked from day one. When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I sayreadthis to understand accounts of people laughing at the wrong time and how it is related to their personality disorder. Its more understandable now, after all this time but it has done her so much harm, then and now 2. She (Diane) managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. The powers that be knew they had nothing on Diane so Christie became their sacrificial lamb. Again thats opinion, and neither balanced nor objective. But it is not hard to see that the way this tape and her confession were obtained was not legitimate. That towel should have been soaked in their blood not hers. Clickhere to read about faulty ballistics.. Fred Hugi was pretty upset when Ann Rule went Hollywood with his case. You wondered at times, which side he was working for. If you have an opinion on drugging a child to make her talk, a judge presiding over a criminal case when he was in family court and removed the children from the defendants or the forensics, ballistic, etc. I guess Diane forgot to have that part engraved on the Unicorn. I will take a screen shot of the sketch. In 2008, a psych evaluation by L. Williams, Ph.D., Chief of Mental Health at Valley State Prison for Women, explained Dianes lack of emotions and its relationship to her case. The person who shot the kids was leaning inside the car because they were shot at close range. The crucial point is that she is so void of emotion. The lawsuit against Ann Rule was thrown out as unfounded because after reading her book they could find no inconsistencies She sat thru the entire trial AND used actual court transcripts. No. That poor girl. . The circumstances surrounding the case were not enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. But as usual, it was slanted in the worst possible way. He was very irresponsible and probably could not handle them financially and emotionally. In my opinion, the investigation was too hasty and only focused on Diane. I agree. Why was no one in the family given the right to adopt them. Send flowers or a gift to a service or family's home. I actually do not know what really happened. (He WAS shot in the back remember). It was known as Manic Depression. Robert has lived in a mobile / manufactured home in Tucson, AZ with Christian. But there were discrepancies; the tool marks did not matchand the detective lied on the stand about it. Meaning it was unlikely she was the shooter. She was harshly judged because of her demeanor. Thank you Lise. Robert is related to Linda Knickerbockerpowell and Elna Mae Knickerbocker as well as 3 additional people. If there is a fair trial and sentencing, I usually dont write about a case, but high profile cases tend to need more scrutiny because emotions run high. On June 20, 2001, mother of five Andrea Yates drowned her children, who ranged in age from six months to seven years, in the bathtub at her home in Houston, Texas. Amanda Knox Is Not Far Behind! 80% MARRIED 80% of these people are married, and 20% are single. Knick never signed the premarital agreement and Diane never married him. I would love to hear your answers to them. Gunpowder is one of the toughest stains around, when it comes to removing it from clothes. Why does the blogger not clarify this? Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. You are telling me to take my smugness elsewhere because it is tiresome. (This is why Foote was assigned the case. I would like to raise the numerous issues with this blog. The DA that put away their mom is not an appropriate placement choice. Background details that you might want to know about Robert include: ethnicity is unknown, whose political affiliation is none; and religious views are listed as unknown. Diane has not been deemed an ongoing public threat that I am aware of. But before you get too deep into the drug stuff with Van Houten, she chose to take drugs. you quoted what diane said as to what happened When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. You do not have to agree with my general opinion outside of the facts of the case, but I would appreciate some comments on what matters; how this case was handled at trial and during the investigation. He failed. It gave Anne Rule carte blanche to legally use these labels in her book and it stuck. The powers that be knew they had nothing on Diane so Christie became their sacrificial lamb: opinion, not fact She even became a surrogate mother to make money and provide two parents the opportunity to have a child. I am not from USA, never have been there, but my impression is that in USA media are far more powerful than the justice system and rational thinking is crushed by easy emotional moods, stereotypes and a hunger for violence coated in a pompous moral attitude. So glad you wrote and provided this information. Removing the children from her and presiding over her criminal trial? I refer you to this section of the blog: They claimed to have found two lead cartridges in Dianes rifle at home that supposedly matched the ones used during the crime. I like to believe the best about people too but there are certain things that absolutely cant be ignored. 4. It appeared rigged: Rigged? I try to bring out the details that were ignored because Down was so unpopular. Instead of shooting the little kids, why didnt the carjacker/killer (CK) simply shoot DD dead and take her car? Local police alerted the public to be on the lookout for a dangerous man with a gun as the toll of the attack on Downs and her children became clear: seven-year-old Cheryl was dead; three-year-old Danny was permanently paralyzed from the waist down; and eight-year-old Christie was clinging to life, having suffered a stroke because her blood pressure was so low. And the interrogations were not tapedand barelydocumented. The kind of TV series that they produce on high profile crimes will make sure to turn public opinion. Alana Renee Cole, 45, remains at large; authorities say she should be considered dangerous. They both fainted when they saw their dead child, but it did not count. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. She never mentioned that before, and she doesnt mention the FBI agents name. As you said, the system has to work for everyone and you cant change the rules because a case is high profile without muddying the waters. Seems like she was her worst enemy. Christie was it though. According to her hospital records, every 6 hours she was given 400 milligrams of Dilantin (which is noted for causing confusion). In fact, Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. This case needed to be examined more thoroughly, but the mob mentality didnt allow it. They said so and were told to go back to deliberate. To Lori As far as Hugi is concerned, it was a total conflict of interest. Danny downs did indeed say a man shot him he also blamed a cartoon character. So it was a relentless game totry to reel her in. I have no idea whether or not she was guilty of the crime. Wow does he ever look different than how they portrayed him in the TV movie. So many of the cases Lise writes about on this blog either have no forensic evidence that supports the verdict or have very misleading forensic evidence that may or may not support the verdict, depending on who is interpreting it. Much worse. It would not benefit you, my children, or society for me to perpetuate that lie. Seeing her giggle and laugh during a videoed reconstruction gave me, as a mother, a sickening feeling. This is a conflict of interest. Later that year, Downs was transferred to a maximum-security prison in New Jersey, where authorities believed she would be less likely to escape because she knew no one there and would have no place to run. If the goal was to get rid of them, why didnt she emulate her lesser half in this matter? Accused of her side of the story what the state says how would it be possible for her to do what they presumed. A sick kid who had a stroke and traumatized being pressured for weeks to remember her mother killing her? This is also what the state did to her. Robert Knickerbocker in Scottsdale, AZ Robert Knickerbocker may also have lived outside of Scottsdale, such as Phoenix. You are not the only one who thinks she is guilty and I know that getting their man at all cost is a popular mantra, but I disagree. Any thoughts on that? I actually can relate to things she did and was like, especially chasing after a guy that dont want youi did one night stands during my chase..to try to get over himits was a dumb idea and really made things worse, but it made sense at the time. Unfortunately couldnt really do anything at that point, as the movie was not VHS yet, it only aired that oncein late 89. Meaning a trial where lying or failing to disclose exculpatory evidence by prosecutors is not happening. A new trial would be out of the question, so to me, parole would be the solution. Lack of blood spatter is not evidence of innocence Especially when a shooter is leaning in and shooting into a box (car) while standing outside. The only reason they kept her in prison even if she had all the right documentation and support, is because she is high profile. She wanted a lawyer to defend her vigorously but the judge stopped her from getting good representation. In her case it seems to be more a matter of punishment. As her brother mentioned, it would not be that farfetched for his sister to stop for someone considering that she was a person who lacked impulse control and the era. But why was the judge in family court hopping over to criminal court? My opposition to movies about true crime stories is unshakable. Their theory was very shaky. Lise,,,,, yes you did. Christie said that her mother had pulled the car over on the dark, isolated road, retrieved something from the trunk of the car, and started shooting at her and her siblings. I couldnt get my hands on the book nor find anything in librariesso basically it was many years later I dove into knowing more about this case, that kinda haunted me. Not unlike Diane, Alice did not want to share her pain in public. It should be removed from the blog. Downs then fell in love with a married coworker named Robert Knickerbocker, who continuously promised Diane he'd be with her and always reneged. Thanks again. Robert L Knickerbocker. Surely before Diane downs, there were other mothers who killed their kids..or allegedly did, however in 83 and 84 it made national news, nothing quite like it had come across the media world, which during that decade was really skyrocketing in sensationalismI believe is where it started, becoming less news and more entertainment. Id like to challenge some of the bloggers claims. Diane nowhad the title ofdangerous offender. A conviction founded on lies is no conviction at all. Page 50 of Case History. So there was a transfer, but nothing else was found. So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. Click to listen to podcast explaining the gun test, Dianes mental condition and the lack of forensic evidence. And once again, considering that she was diagnosed as bipolar, did not help her cause. They lied about the ballistics. So Diane did what she thought would bring her the deepest satisfaction in life; she became a mother. this is your 2nd quote which contradicts the first one .. Lets not forget that she was presumed to have fired a gun 6 times at close range within the confines of a small car. Justice is all that is left. Find Robert Knickerbocker's phone number, address, and email on Spokeo, the leading online directory for contact information. Not exclusively a USA trait, this happens also in many countries, but in a technologically advanced superpower like USA this attitude is more shocking, and maybe also more worldwide spread. Read more: ABC News, ABC News (2), Salem News, Salem News (2), Oregon Live, The Washington Post, Murderpedia, Find Law. Get Notified when Robert Arthur Knickerbocker's info changes. Downs was denied parole in 2008 and 2010. Downs had only been living in Oregon for six weeks when it seems she just snapped. Diane said that Cheryl was laying down on the front floorboard with the passenger seat pushed back. Otherwise you just want people to fill your echo chamber that agree with you, tell anyone else you obviously dont want to debate me.., then ban, then hope for people to agree. It seems that everyone commenting just knows shes guilty, like you say. All Filters. I am a Mortuary science student, true crime fanatic, and have been following the Downs case since it happened. And they kept at her and made suggestions when she would not implicate her mom. The two mental disorders that cause excessive talking are Bipolar Disorder and Schizophrenia. Doesnt change the fact that it was still a conflict of interest. Sign up for service and obituary updates. The details about the gun missing, the daughters testimony and the fact that she had no blood or gun residues are facts. The board said that her mental or emotional disorder makes her a danger to society. ANNE RULES BOOK IS A LIE, ,ALL MADE UP CRAP. The Lifetime channel constantly makes movies based loosely on the truth; this approach is an effective weapon aimed at swaying public opinion about high-profile cases. Dianes daughter started saying that she did not know who shot them right when she got adopted. It does not get any bigger than this. Diane was in the hospital for a bone graft from June 2nd until June 6th, 1983. Do you remember about two days after that the two of you signing a lease on the apartment? They played the tape in the courtroom, and the fact that Diane did not break down but tapped her foot to the music, was supposed to be another proof of her guilt. It's surprising how much a musical selection can affect mourning. One of the more bizarre scenes in this farce of an investigation was about to unfold. Robert was a married man in Arizona with whom Diane had been having an affair, back when she was still living there. The reason she is likely locked up is because she was diagnosed with narcissistic, histrionic and anti social personality disorder, that makes her a very dangerous person (especially since she is a murderer). I mention in my blog that when her adoptive dad said that she was coerced and thats why she said she did not know who shot them, that of course she was because this is what she does when under pressure. You dont get any kind of advancement or rehabilitation in prison. she flat out says, they are saying Duran Duran made her shoot her kids!..Im like HUHOkay now this is my favorite groupstill is at 44yrs old.I had to investigate this. But the guy who said to several people that he was the shooter happens to resemble the sketch they came up with at the time for a reason. She functions best in highly structured environments where she has a sense of control. Further: Wonder about Justice in Nation with world wide highest prisoner rate. Robert told the police the entire truth about the affair and also mentioned that she had previously stalked him, revealing that she seemed pretty willing to kill his wife if it meant that she could have him all to herself. (Yes, speculative). So either way, it would not be so far fetched that someone said he was the shooter.A little investigation would not hurt. Diane was sentenced to life plus 50 years. I try to remain objective in spite of the media storm depicting the case in a certain way, which is not accurate in every aspect. There is only one major problem with your scenario. I like your approach. Shes guilty. Anne Rule made a big deal of a brass unicorn engraved with the childrens names that Diane had purchased. Robert Knickerbocker is 66 years old today because Robert's birthday is on 05/15/1956. This video has Dianes attorney, Jim Jagger, at 1 minutes and 20 seconds that might have some good shots. It deserved as much attention as a Unicorn, a song or all the other hearsay floating around because at least, they came from real people signing official documents. The states own witness, Dr. George Suckow and Dr. Polly Jamison denounced Prosecutor Hugis practice as improper and unethical (Appendix 101 and 104). Christie could not speak but after some rehab, she said repeatedly that she did not know who shot them. These women did not show emotions and did not fold when asked to. As for how to answer this question,,, seems like he is assuming guilt and because of this my parents or me or my brothers and sister, our uncles and aunts were not considered because of an unproven allegation Does he truly believe this is ok??? He asked her for the car keys and she pretended to throw them away to distract him. Children imitate their parents every move. 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